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OD Today: 26 January 2009 (early edition)

January 26, 2009

A fair number of links today; a lot of them focused on abortion, Barack Obama, and related issues.

I’ve edited a quote in one item because it contained language some readers may find objectionable. The quote in situ is available at the associated link.

  1. Miriam Franklin offers an update with commentary on Patricia King and the Breaker Anointing. “Does Patricia King really so despise the existing New Covenant, and so despise and nullify the power and measure of the Holy Spirit who is given upon conversion to the child of God that she says He is not enough?”
  2. Paul Manata unloads on unnamed Reformed pastors who voted for Barack Obama. “Of course the two deserve each other. Rebels without a clue cheering a leader without a clue. Yeah, he speaks well. So did Hitler.”
  3. Ralph Petersen offers a second open letter to Barack Obama, this on about his “above my pay grade” answer at Saddleback. “And apparently, now you do know the answer to the question. By your recent executive order to reverse the abortion funds ban I guess you have decided that there really are some babies who are not worthy of human rights.”
  4. TurretinFan at Alpha & Omega (James White’s usual digs) offers part two in a promised series of thirteen articles responding to Jay Dyer, regarding Calvinism and the Nestorian error. “The existence of the hypostatic union is critical to the Calvinistic view of the atonement. The fact that the person of Christ was of infinite dignity on account of His divine nature makes the atonement of infinite intrinsic worth. The fact that the person of Christ had a truly human nature made the atoning death of Christ possible, as well as making the form of the sacrifice (death of man) a proper suffering of the penalty due. Without one or the other, the atonement would be impossible.”
  5. Miriam Franklin accuses C. Peter Wagner and New Apostolic Reformation of elitism and authoritarianism in the name of unity. “Unto dominionism with the apostles in power – this is NOT the gospel in any sense, nor the church’s mandate. It is dangerous power seeking dominionism in an antichrist antigospel.”
  6. Cindy Kunsman talks about postmodernism, history as a collection of emotional artifacts, and the implications of postmodernism within churches. “Her awakening did not strike me as remotely or notably different from her almost detatched description of other events and “artifacts” of her Obama campaign experience. That also came about through observing the emotions of someone else, perhaps another artifact for her, but it was an emotional artifact, so it demanded her attention.”
  7. Christine at Talk Wisdom blames mass hypnosis for Barack Obama’s popularity. “So, just why is it that Muslims don’t embrace Obama’s abortion holocaust? I will leave that question out there for the moment.”
  8. Terry Mattingly takes on the difficult question of church and state where health and particularly faith healing are concerned. “It appears that there is now a coalition — maybe — seeking to redraw the line, to make it easier to attack these kinds of radical believers.”
  9. Boyd Miller takes a shot at churches who afford their pastors special privileges. “The bible says not to muzzle the ox that treads out the corn, however it doesn’t say anything about putting an unmuzzled ox in charge of the corn crib!”
  10. Miriam Franklin takes on Thomas Weeks. “I also know his ‘church’ is in dire financial straits. But for all that, this video is still worth highlighting to show how far some have strayed from the faith, and how much a man can get away with at the pulpit without rebuke in “the house of God”. (And people think Mark Driscoll is bad?!)”
  11. Jason Engwer picks up on a point discussed on Unbelievable? regarding the Matthew resurrection of people other than Jesus. “Supposedly, the raising of the dead referred to in that passage is historically unlikely, since the other gospels don’t mention it and Josephus doesn’t mention it, for example.” Coincidentally, Brian Thornton picks up this exact passage of scripture here, but does not deal with the historicity question.
  12. Julio Severo comments on Barack Obama’s abortion policy in the context of his other policies. “The messiah has become Herod.”
  13. Aaron Shafovaloff offers episode three of Mormon Coffee TableTalk (audio). I can’t find the iTunes link for this podcast, and would appreciate any pointers.
  14. Tim Challies offers links a la carte, including the link to the much-linked (but un-commented-upon) John Piper abortion talking points.
  15. Michael Newnham offers an interview with David Di Sabatino on Larry Norman, Lonnie Frisbee, John Wimber, and of course Chuck Smith Sr. “This is the interesting thing about your site, Michael, and even some of the comments that you make. I go in to http://www.phoenixpreacher.com on occasion and read this tendency to anathematize anyone who has a different take on things. Mark Driscoll is not a Christian because he speaks openly about [edit]. Todd Bentley isn’t a Christian because he does what he does. On and on. You have your favorites and as long as everyone lines up with them, they are okay. If not… too bad, so sad, thanks for playing. Now depart, ye cursed… That’s a tough room.” Many many ODT Kudos to Michael for sharing this interview.
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OD Today: 20 January 2009 (bonus edition)

January 20, 2009

So many links. So little time. I wasn’t online the last time a Democrat became President, so I have nothing to compare today to.

  1. Ingrid Schlueter comments on a World Net Daily story about the new Administration’s agenda regarding hate crimes. “I believe it’s time to inject a little cold reality into some minds. Change is underway, and it will cost all of us who believe what the Bible says about homosexuality.” This article caught on like wildfire today and ended up in so many places I lost track (whitehouse.gov).
  2. Thomas Heringer weighs in, promises to resist. “Problem is I doubt that the present idiot in the WH feels the same, in fact I think he wants us all to follow like a blind heard of sheep. … My first grievance is how he took the nomination and used tactics reminiscent of the Nazi’s. I pray that he fails in everything he tries to do and for what it is worth that America falls even deeper into the mess we have created for ourselves and I ask God in heaven to judge America starting with Obama.”
  3. Michael Davis calls Obama “a new President to pray for.”
  4. Brian Thornton echoes Albert Mohler‘s prayer for Barack Obama. “Father, lead him to see abortion, not as a matter of misconstrued rights, but as a murderous violation of the right to life. May he come to see every aborted life as a violation of human dignity and every abortion as an abhorrent blight upon this nation’s moral witness.”
  5. Jennifer O’Hara gives Obama a failing grade for today’s speech.
  6. Timmy Brister shares the text of Rick Warren’s prayer, with video (YouTube).
  7. John Baker finds Islamic themes in Warren’s prayer. “The meaning of the phrase: “Allah is compassionate and merciful” has a completely different meaning within the context of Islam and the Qur’an than the phrase: “God is compassionate and merciful” would have within the context of Christianity and The Bible. Finally with Rick Warren’s history he has made it pretty clear that he conisders “Allah” as one and the same as The God of the Bible.”
  8. Miriam Franklin is troubled by the use of the phrases “new age” and “new era” in Obama’s inaugural address.
  9. Bill Wilson focuses on Eugene Robinson, says he’s evidence of national heresy. “What has occurred is the cursing of our nation and its leadership with heresy.”
  10. Christian Worldview/David Wheaton shares the full text of Albert Mohler’s prayer for Obama.
  11. Daniel Pulliam mentions Sharon Watkins’s prayer at the inauguration, and includes a link to an inaugural prayer summary article by Rachel Zoll. Names, names, names. Zoll hits all the facts really quickly, and I defy anybody to find a mistake in anything she writes.
  12. Orrin Judd picks up an article from Daniel Finklestein of the Times of London, on the “no we can’t” Obama we didn’t see on the campaign trail. “He described a nation at war, an economy badly weakened, a collective failure to make hard choices. And while the new President promised to face these difficulties, he was extremely careful not to promise to eliminate them.”
  13. Job at Jesus Christology gives a contrary opinion regarding Joseph Farah’s “Pray Obama Fails” campaign. “So the difference between Caesar when Paul was writing Romans and Obama right now is what exactly? … Well Joe Farah, I say the same about you. The reason is that you are willfully creating confusion between using spiritual warfare, evangelism, foretelling and forthtelling, etc. to oppose evil rulers and their policies, and between being a sinful seditionist.”
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OD Today: 3 January 2009 (early edition)

January 3, 2009

Because of the large number of links left from yesterday, and the fact that it’s probably difficult to read or even scan a list of thirty-plus links, I’m going to try breaking today’s posts into two or more pieces.

  1. Crosstalk America’s podcast is updating a couple of days at a time. Part of yesterday’s episode is Paris Reidhead‘s sermon “Ten Shekels and a Shirt” (SermonIndex.net). He contrasts 19th-century liberalism/humanism and Fundamentalism, and calls both selfishness and not Christianity. He also calls Fundamentalism “Utilitarian Christianity.” “If all you repented for was to stay out of hell, all you are is a Levite serving for ten shekels and a shirt.”
  2. Kit continue dealing with the movie Zeitgeist, links to an article from Always Be Ready that aggregates the responses from various theologians.
  3. David Hocking updates the Israel/Hamas conflict, including the death of Nizar Rayyan.
  4. La Shawn Barber talks about a draft bill in South Carolina that would give women seeking an abortion the option of seeing a free ultrasound first.
  5. Underdog Theology gives Donald Whitney’s definition of the term “evangelical.”
  6. Michael Davis notes the Gideons‘ 100th anniversary: “1.5 billion scriptures in 187 different countries and in 85 languages, including 76.8 million distributions last year alone.”
  7. Defending Contending links to a Wolf Blitzer/CNN interview with Charles Barkley; story with summary here. In this interview, from February 2008, Barkley says the Republican Party is full of “fake Christians.”
  8. Ken Silva presents the first in what he promises will be a series of responses to a letter to one of his readers from Margaret Manning (of Ravi Zacharias International Ministries) regarding Henri Nouwen.
  9. Miriam Franklin opens a can of worms regarding what some people call “eternal security” and others “once saved, always saved.”
  10. Underdog Theology links to Donald Whitney’s paper on the boundaries of Evangelical Spirituality regarding spiritual disciplines.
  11. Chris Rosebrough calls Tadd Grandstaff (Pine Ridge Church)’s Christmas sermon the worst Christmas sermon of 2008. Be warned that the embedded video starts automatically.
  12. Brian Thornton says Rick Warren should plead for mercy on behalf of the nation during the Obama inaugural invocation. “IF the gospel is true, and faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ, then the ONLY loving thing Rick Warren should do in his invocation is to plead with God to save Barack Obama and all others who have not been born again to a living hope.”
  13. Cindy Kunsman asks if spiritual abuse is biblical, gives two summaries, from Ron Henzel and David Henke.
  14. Miriam Franklin parses Rick Joyner‘s teaching that 2008 was the beginning of the Church of the Last Days.
  15. Orrin Judd links to an article by Roger Scruton on the New Atheists and the strength of their arguments. “But what exactly does modern science tell us, and just where does it conflict with the premises of religious belief?”
  16. Dwayna Litz comments on the death of Jett Travolta, and links to an older article on Scientology.
  17. The latest installment of Fighting For The Faith Radio is available; I haven’t heard it and can’t comment beyond what’s in the show notes.
  18. John Sexton says Newsweek has Bush Derangement Syndrome on the basis of a sidebar ad.
  19. The latest episode of The Dividing Line is available for download.
  20. James White shares a letter from a Mormon convert to Christianity. “Sometime after that, after I had determined that the LDS church was false, I had become saved through reading some Josh McDowell materials.” The author also has some kind words for White.
  21. John Kubicek shares a Henry Lamb column from World Net Daily regarding a United Nations sustainable development initiative called Agenda 21. “We don’ t have much time left, folks. Barack Obama will be going right along with Agenda 21, and I’m pretty sure he’ll get it started as soon as he can eliminate the 1st and 2nd Amendments.”
  22. Phil Naessens shares the video for the Brian McLaren appearance on the Bleeding Purple podcast, in which McLaren says the doctrine of hell flies in the face of the Gospel. Note: the video is just the podcast audio plus still photos.
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OD Today: 29 December 2008

December 29, 2008

I’m still trying to do some backing and filling on the KJV Only movement, so a couple of today’s links are fairly old. I’m still looking for Pro-KJV-Only weblogs and/or YouTube streams; most everything seems to be from KJV-Only detractors.

  • YouTube user TellittoJesus takes on KJV Only, particularly Bill Bradley’s book Purified Seven Times. He considers the KJV Only Movement “the spirit of the Antichrist.”
  • Jerry at CRN.Info quotes from this article by William Murchison asking if looking to older stages in a particular Christian tradition is helpful if that tradition doesn’t faithfully represent Jesus and His teachings. Some coarse language due to a quote from a book by Robert Penn Warren.
  • Blogger KittyKit quotes this article by Thomas Horn: “As a Christian researcher and author of two books on the New Age, I find the increasing regularity of UFO sightings prophetically intriguing,” and in another post quotes this older editorial on Anne Rice and vampires.
  • John Baker quotes without comment this article from CNS News about 2009 being a crucial year in the debate about homosexuality and human rights. “Homosexuality is not a human right, [Gary] Bauer said.”
  • John Baker links with scripture verses but no additional comments to this response by someone referred to only by the initials “S.S.” to this announcement of an Assemblies of God missions drive called Invasion of America with the Gospel. The original announcement by Zollie Smith Jr, Executive Director of Missions for the Assemblies of God, includes the sentence “No one deserves to spend eternity in the lake of fire.” I’m not going to try to parse all the buzzwords and name-calling here to figure out if this is a sign of creeping Universalism or just a poor choice of words.
  • Dwayna Litz links to Nicholas Jackson’s column at News With Views with a suggested prayer for Rick Warren to pray at Barack Obama‘s inauguration.
  • Dwayna Litz offers links for people who are witnessing to cultists: Witnesses for Jesus, Inc. and Walter Martin’s Religious InfoNet.
  • Brian Thornton congratulates Focus on the Family for pulling its CitizenLink article promoting Glenn Beck’s book The Christmas Sweater, links to this Drew Zahn article at World Net Daily. Zahn’s piece does a poor job of explaining the differences between Mormon and evangelical Christian theology, summarizes Beck’s book, quotes Joel Campbell of the Mormon Times, and notes that World Net Daily is selling Beck’s book. I’m going to pass on the chance to say World Net Daily is “promoting Mormonism,” but that looks like profiteering to me.
  • Dwayna Litz recommends Jeff Sharlet‘s book The Family, and says she’s ordering a copy tonight. Jeff Sharlet has written several long-form pieces on the Religious Right, all of which merit reading. He’s one of the few mainstream journalists I’ve found who seems to speak the language, but he’s not personally a conservative Christian and his objections to what he’s seeing and reporting can be a bit difficult to tease out from time to time. His primary Web outlet is The Revealer.
  • ODM detractor Jerry at CRN.Info engages in the first part of a discussion with Jesus Wants To Save Christians, by Rob Bell and Don Golden.
  • Brian Thornton comments on Rick Warren’s “gay partnership” comment, calls it heresy.
  • James White shares a video from Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church, where he responds to Bart Ehrman and John Dominic Crossans, and their claims that Mark and Luke present substantially different accounts of Jesus’s crucifixion. The video is forty-three minutes long, and I have to admit I haven’t watched it all. The direct link to the YouTube video is here.
  • Lighthouse Trails comments on a Christianity Today interview with Franklin Graham regarding Rick Warren’s opportunity to pray at the Barack Obama inauguration. “We present this article as an example of how Christian leaders (such as Graham) are not warning the body of Christ about Rick Warren’s teachings and beliefs that include a three-legged global peace plan and the new reformation/new spirituality.”
  • John Sexton picks up the Seabreeze Church financial situation. He attended this church and was part of the building search committee, and he fills in details missing from the Times story; he blames the pastor, Bevan Unrau: “The senior pastor (forlorn man) spent four months at the end of 2007 talking about his authority. We heard about it at a men’s retreat, then in sermons, then in leadership meetings. He made it clear to everyone that he was the sole decision maker for the church. Then he preceded to fire the church secretary, the youth pastor and the worship pastor. I quit shortly thereafter. Other quit too. About 150 people left the church over the next three months. And, surprise, the church began to struggle financially.” For the record, I don’t think there is enough of this sort of name-naming when a church is in trouble: Sexton relates fact claims that can be verified or falsified, and that puts his account head and shoulders above most of the troubled-church narratives I’ve read and heard.
  • Sharon Lindbloom suggests that the LDS Church is mixing Joseph Smith into their Christmas observance, in a role that is similar to the way Santa Claus is mixed into Christmas observance in the broader culture.
  • John Baker quotes an article from the Pak Tribune that claims Prince Charles of England says the “clash of civilizations could be averted by following the teaching of Islam and Quran.” For the record, the article is not a direct quote. In the comments there’s this link with comment by Tony Blair: “‘In the first place, you understand what it means to believe. What you often find is that you immediately have something in common with another person of faith, even if he belongs to a different religion. As well as that, one is interested in other religions. One’s motivation is greater. I regularly read the Koran, practically every day,’ Blair told the interviewer. He said the Prophet Mohammed had been ‘an enormously civilizing force.'”
  • Michael Davis links and comments regarding a One News Now story regarding an ACLU lawsuit over explicitly Christian prayers at the Forsythe County, North Carolina board meetings. Davis appeals to the example of the framers of the Constitution: “Apparently, those who wrote the Constitution in the first place did not think that prayer was a violation of their efforts and many but not all of the prayers did reference Jesus.”
  • fourpointer at Defending Contending offers the twenty-second article in a series of fifty responses to Mormon questions, regarding whether Mormons are monotheistic, polytheistic, or as fourpointer states, henotheistic.
  • John Baker copies an article from Berit Kjos, relating Robert Muller’s World Peace Plan 2010. The original appears to be here.
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New York Times article on church foreclosures

December 27, 2008

Thanks to Brian Thornton for this link:

Hundreds of churches across the country have received foreclosure notices in recent months, and even more are behind on mortgage payments.

But borrowing by churches became more common in the 1990s, reaching $28 billion nationwide in 2006, including mortgages, construction loans and church bonds,

The rise of nondenominational churches and a resurgence in the evangelical movement also led to more religious institutions seeking to borrow.

Foreclosure filings have fallen on the doorstep of 254 properties, or 0.31 percent of the 82,441 churches studied. The percentage is higher when churches without mortgages are excluded.

In one such filing, by the Church Loan and Investments Trust in Amarillo, Tex., nonperforming church loans increased 14 percent for the quarter that ended on Sept. 30, compared with the quarter a year earlier.

There’s a lot that’s interesting about this article, but it would be stronger if the numbers were only for churches with mortgages: are default rates for churches higher or lower than for business loans? For other non-profits with similar budgets? Etc. And how do foreclosures break down and a percentage of mortgages per denomination?

OD Today: 27 December 2008

December 27, 2008

Today should be a slow news day, but there’s still lots to talk about regarding stories that surfaced over the holiday.

  • Dwayna Litz comments on the Ahmadinejad Christmas message, but stops just short of calling the Emerging Church anti-Semitic.
  • John Baker comments on Melissa Etheridge’s comments regarding Rick Warren, accuses Warren of double-dealing: “This is a game that Rick Warren constantly plays. He speaks one false message to the Non-Christian World, and speaks another one filled with half-Truths to those Christians who follower after him!”
  • Orrin Judd parses Moby-Dick as a metaphor for the United States and its current situation.
  • Ken Silva attacks Henri Nouwen as being “quasi-Buddhist,” mostly via his interpretation of Wil Hernandez’s book Henri Nouwen: A Spirituality of Imperfection. He repeatedly refers to Hernandez as “Fernandez.”
  • Orrin Judd says good-bye to Harold Pinter. “Any enemy of America was a friend of his. Do we really need to know any more?”
  • Ingrid Schlueter criticizes Franklin Graham for his comments on Rick Warren’s critics regarding his decision to give the invocation at the Obama inauguration. “As Joseph Farah put it, God isn’t going to bless that no matter what Warren intones at the inauguration. The Graham family has made a practice of speaking smooth, silky, easy messages to U.S. Presidents.”
  • Ingrid Schlueter picks up a One News Now story regarding Rick Warren’s support of “gay partnerships.” I think this means he supports civil unions.
  • John Sexton links to an article in the Telegraph (UK) by Nile Gardiner at the Heritage Foundation praising George W. Bush and saying history will be kinder to him than we are now.
  • Howard Fisher reviews the novel House, by Frank Peretti and Ted Dekker; says he prefers the movies Signs and Unbreakable.
  • Charismania picks up the story of the pseudonymous “Living Word Church,” republishes this comment about Bob Mumford by Cindy K, both about how the pastor of a cultic church controls an inner circle. For the record, I don’t give stories that use pseudonyms much credit; they don’t and can’t rise to the “two or three witnesses” standard. On the other hand, as she notes in the comment, Cindy Kunsman names names. Bravo for Cindy!
  • Gay Christian Movement Watch calls out Candace Chellew-Hodge for using foul language on her weblog.
  • Brian Thornton links to this article about churches in foreclosure and behind on mortgage payments, asks if churches should be “cash only.”
  • Thomas Turner, one of those Emergent Church types, on the centrality of Scripture in the liturgy: “Christ is Lord of all, and he stands in the center of all as the Word of God enfleshed as Jesus of Nazareth and ever-present before us through his Spirit.”